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10:30 pm
04/14/2011


Marc

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Just wanted to run a few ideas about some of the character tags past you guys, and I figure I'll have more ideas to ask you about in the future, so I thought I'd start up a thread for it. On to the questions!

 

1) There are currently three tags for Nick Fury: "Fury," "Nick Fury," and "Sgt. Fury." I propose deleting "Fury," and relegating "Sgt. Fury" to only those books in which the character appears during WWII. "Nick Fury" would be applied to all books where the character appears, including the WWII books.

 

2) We currently have a tag for "Kraven," which I propose changing to "Kraven the Hunter" for easier recognition.

 

3) Jean Grey has yet to be tagged in very many books, which is probably a good thing because she's complicated and it gives us the chance to get the stuff with her exactly right from the start. Obviously, any time she appears the book should be tagged with "Jean Grey."

The conflict here is what to do with the "Phoenix" tag. Phoenix is both the name of an alien entity that took possession of Jean's body, and a codename that Jean began using years later. (For example, the title "The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix" refers to Scott Summers and Jean Grey, not to Scott and the alien entity.) There's also the issue of "Jean" not actually being Jean for several years — she was actually the Phoenix entity in disguise. So, yeah…what to do here?

 

So what do you guys think? Sound off!

12:25 am
04/15/2011


Ian Aleksander Adams

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1. Mainly I just hadn't decided on how I was going to tag Nick Fury when I
first starting putting the list together. I think that just having "Nick
Fury" is probably fine.

 

2. Yeah, that change sounds good.

 

3. I didn't even know where to start with all that. She also went by Marvel Girl, yes? Something like that. No idea. Maybe just put it all as "Jean Grey" because fans of the character will probably want to read about her even when she's possessed? Part of her story, yeah? Or maybe Jean Grey / Phoenix / Marvel Girl, but I don't really want to combine tag titles. Not sure.

 

I feel like the tag lists are really not about appearances under certain names, but designed to help people follow a story. It's tough, because, for example, Nightwing stories are a specific thing as opposed to Dick Grayson Robin stories. But I don't like having too many tags for one person.

I mean, it's already a little redundant, because chances are anyone wanting to read about Jean Grey is just going to be looking for the X-Men list!

1:31 am
04/15/2011


Marc

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Yeah, I agree on the purpose of the tags; this isn't meant to be something as in-depth as CBDB's character tags, just something to help with following a character/story in a general sense. I'm leaning towards just tagging all of her appearances as "Jean Grey" and the ones with the alien entity as "Phoenix."

 

Perhaps the books where Phoenix is posing as Jean Grey can be tagged with both? My knowledge of the X-Men in the '80s is a little hazy, though, so I'm not sure which ones those are. I'm looking forward to getting more into that era with all of the oversized hardcovers Marvel has been putting out.

 

Also, another question: I saw that there's just one tag for Venom, despite the fact that several people have worn the suit. I think that's fine, but it might be a good idea to add tags of the various suit-wearers to the relevant books. For example, we could tag the early books with "Eddie Brock," so people can see just the original Venom stories if they want to.

 

Not sure what tag would be good to add for the Thunderbolts iteration of Venom, though. At that time the suit was being worn by Mac Gargan, who was originally the Scorpion. It doesn't seem like a very good idea to tag all those Venom appearances with "Scorpion" as well. One alternative would be to tag "Mac Gargan" on all Venom and Scorpion appearances.

3:28 am
04/15/2011


Simon

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Sorry that I cannot contribute fully with this as my Marvel knowledge is minimal at best.

The whole Jean Grey and Phoenix thingy sounds very similar to HJ and Parallax?

What was done for that section? Might be worth having a peek at and seeing if that was done okay too.

Although tagging Jean Grey when she was possessed to me makes the most sense, as she is there (kinda). I get what Ian says about not wanting some character lists to be too long but isn't that what the "essential" lists are being created for?

5:17 pm
04/15/2011


etragedy

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I remember reading the X-Men during the Chris Claremont/John Byrne/Dave Cockrum run, and loving every minute of it…

 

A lot of the mystery behind the Phoenix stories was that Scott loved Jean, and you (the reader) always wanted to know when Phoenix made an appearance – was it/was it not Jean Grey (yes, even after she died).

 

Basically you do a disservice to first time readers (by spoiling it) if you don't tag those as being Jean Grey, because then you let the cat out of the bag before they read it to find out the answer.

11:13 pm
04/15/2011


Marc

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Thanks for the input, etragedy, I was thinking along the same lines. I think that's what we'll do.

3:20 pm
04/17/2011


Ian Aleksander Adams

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yeah, that all sounds good so far. I don't want to spoil the various venom suit owners either, though that's less of a big deal obviously.

 

But I'm all for including the people's names as well. We could do a "Symbiotes" tag for everything related to venom/carnage/etc


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