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4:53 pm
02/22/2011
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etragedy
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| Inquisitive Soul | posts 26 | |
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Post edited 5:03 pm – 02/22/2011 by etragedy
I think any fan of Conan would probably be interested in both Conan series – which is probably why Dark Horse started collecting and reprinting the Barry Windsor-Smith Marvel comics. So being able to see them all together is probably useful.
Here's the options I see with my comments:
A) Keep it how it is and treat it the same as DC titles that were rebooted by Crisis. This has the advantage of publication order.
B) Keep the two series separate but on the same list, but reverse the order. This has two advantages – first, the Dark Horse series begins earlier in Conan's career (birth), and pretty much the "origin" story of his life up to his teens, and second, for those interested in reading both series, there might be less spoilers by reading the Dark Horse series first because almost all the Dark Horse stories were based on REH's stories and so were also told by Marvel, while the reverse is not the case since Marvel also included so many other writers takes on the character.
C) Separate lists by publisher, all tagged with Conan. Fine, but not as fun for those who'd like to organize all Conan stuff on a bookshelf and read the epic adventure in one swoop without restarting.
D) Integrate the two within the same list. I think this is within the spirit of this site, but could take a while to accomplish. I'm willing to help make suggestions, but I am reading not only the comics, but the REH stories too, and casually and infrequently, so it may take months to get it straightened out.
E) Integrate the two lists but as it's own Universe (as with Transformers). This has the advantage of future-proofing the Hyborian Age comics if some other entity – other than Marvel or Dark Horse – gets the license in the future.
Ultimately, it's your site, it's your decision. Or you could poll the users. I'd be O.K. with any of them, but I do think B,C or D would be better than the way it is now (A), and I think Ian's suggestion for a separate Hyborian list (E) might be the best solution – especially since Conan was never part of mainstream Marvel continuity anyway.
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5:11 pm
02/22/2011
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Ian
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|  Final Boss | posts 1875 | |
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I split this into a new thread so we can continue with it seperately.
I'm gonna think a bit on it, but I think treating the appearances like crossovers might be the best way of doing it (kind of like how the hellboy list has some dc appearances, etc.)
I think a seperate integrated reading order. But yeah, maybe I should do a poll.
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5:14 pm
02/22/2011
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Ian
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| Final Boss | posts 1875 | |
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there's about the same in the hyborian era as in ultimate marvel.. so this is making more and more sense.
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6:25 pm
02/22/2011
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Marc
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|  With Great Power… | posts 566 | |
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I'm in favor of putting them in a separate list, in publication order. I think that's the way to stay truest to the material from a creative standpoint.
Having them in a separate list would also probably be useful for people who come to the site specifically looking for a Conan reading order. I doubt it would occur to many people to go looking in the Marvel reading order for that.
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6:27 pm
02/22/2011
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Ian
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| Final Boss | posts 1875 | |
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we should keep in mind that eventually every list will have the option of sorting by publication order regardless of what the other "reading order" is (via a drop down that uses the dates).
Already people can find a conan or hyborian age reading order, it already exists. I could just make that link more prominent without changing anything else.
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3:45 am
02/23/2011
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Simon
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|  Old Hat | posts 778 | |
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I'm not clued up on this at all but from what I've read of what you guys have written a separate reading order, such as Ultimate Universe, seems like the most logical point.
Speaking of Ultimate Marvel Universe, I mentioned before about the Marvel Zombies having a crossover into that universe in the UFF Inhuman and Frightful, would it be possible to place the MZ trades in that universe's list as well?
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2:56 pm
02/23/2011
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Ian
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| Final Boss | posts 1875 | |
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yeah, I plan on it. It will mean having dupes, but I think that's ok – once the "my collection" stuff is seperated out, it won't be so weird.
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3:19 pm
02/23/2011
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Ian
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| Final Boss | posts 1875 | |
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There is now a Conan Universe list and I'm in the process of moving all the books there:
http://www.tradereadingorder.com/list/comics/marvel-universe/conan-universe/
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3:21 pm
02/23/2011
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Ian
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| Final Boss | posts 1875 | |
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I've kept the marvel produced comics on the Marvel Bronze Age list, though.
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3:30 pm
02/23/2011
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Ian
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| Final Boss | posts 1875 | |
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Ok, the conan list is completly moved and I'm adding the "Conan Universe" link to the sidebar and top navigation.
I'd like to do an integrated reading order, but will not be researching it right away. If anyone has ideas, feedback, or links that will help with that, let me know!
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3:38 pm
02/23/2011
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Ian
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| Final Boss | posts 1875 | |
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right now the conan books that still are tagged Marvel Bronze Age, etc, are still showing up in the marvel reading order, because that category is a child of the main marvel universe category.
Do you guys think that's ok?
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3:49 pm
02/23/2011
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Ian
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| Final Boss | posts 1875 | |
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The link is now http://www.tradereadingorder.com/list/comics/conan-universe/
ok, so basically all the marvel published stuff is still on the marvel list but not on the Primary Continuity list.
And all the non marvel stuff is with the marvel stuff on the new Conan Universe list.
And now we can start sorting that stuff without worrying about any of it showing up on the marvel timeline except for the marvel published comics.
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8:23 pm
02/23/2011
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Marc
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| With Great Power… | posts 566 | |
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Weird, I typed a response to this earlier but it doesn't look like it's here now. I was having some issues with my internet connection, so maybe it never went through.
Anyway, I think this is a good plan. I think Conan belongs in the Marvel Bronze Age list for sure, since it's an integral part of the company's publishing history in that era. It's just not really a part of the fictional history of the Marvel Universe.
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8:26 pm
02/23/2011
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Ian
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| Final Boss | posts 1875 | |
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do you think it should be totally taken out of the main Marvel Universe list then? I'd have to.. I guess move the Bronze Age category out from being a subcategory of the main one.
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8:37 pm
02/23/2011
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Marc
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| With Great Power… | posts 566 | |
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I dunno. I don't think it was ever meant to be a part of Marvel continuity, even when it was being written. But it's not like anyone ever said that at the time. And I think some people inferred that was the case just because Conan and Red Sonja made guest appearances in Marvel Team-Up and What If? or whatever, when I think it was just the creators having a little fun…I mean they had the rights to all those characters, so why not? But it's not like you had things like Wolverine's ancestors showing up in Conan's series or anything…that series was based in Robert E. Howard's universe, through and through.
Today, it's definitely not a part of continuity…but that doesn't really matter, given that the criteria for being on the list is that it was considered in continuity at the time. So the question becomes: Was Conan originally meant to be a part of Marvel continuity? I would say no, that it was a series owned by Marvel and written and drawn by some of the company's top creators at the time, but that it was meant to be something separate. But I'm definitely open to reconsidering that opinion if someone feels strongly and can make a case for the opposite.
Any thoughts out there?
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8:38 pm
02/23/2011
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Ian
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| Final Boss | posts 1875 | |
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I don't feel like I'm qualified on that one. anyone?
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5:49 am
02/24/2011
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Simon
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| Old Hat | posts 778 | |
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It's no more in continuity than say Viking Prince, The Northlanders or Tor; but it's nice to have them in so you can get a "complete" timeline for the universe (i.e. stone-age through to the future)
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4:58 am
02/25/2011
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Ian
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| Final Boss | posts 1875 | |
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I just wanted to note that every book on the Conan list now has some kind of cover art! (Even if it's internal, amazon style, or temporary.)
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1:13 pm
02/25/2011
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etragedy
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| Inquisitive Soul | posts 26 | |
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Re: Marvel Universe history
AFAIK, Conan was never considered part of MU history – the only crossovers I know of are 'What If?' stories.
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1:40 pm
02/25/2011
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Marc
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| With Great Power… | posts 566 | |
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Red Sonja appeared in an issue of Marvel Team-Up as well, I believe.
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