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"The Process"

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11:30 pm
02/19/2011


Chris D.

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Hey Ian,
Since you're deep into the Marvel list I was wondering if you could do a little TRO education sometime about your process. Nothing too expansive of course, but I was just curious how you gather all the titles, how you come to your list order (obvious with Marvel Marc has helped a ton, what about DC? Just personal experience?), and how you know what characters are in certain trades if you haven't yet read them. Keep your answer as short as you'd like. You're putting in SO much work that it would be nice to take a quick peak "behind the curtain" and see what you actually have to go through :)

5:31 am
02/20/2011


Ian

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first, a lot of solicitation and amazon combing. When I was first building my lists I could also use previous but out of date lists like the milar world tp list, batmantrades, bat squad, etc.

Sometimes I find books on cbdb, but it's rare, since I don't end up there until I'm almost done.

For character tags, most of the books just have the name of the character that's in the title. Spider-Man, etc.

When I do the final update, if I own the book I flip through. I always try to flip through if I can, and I've been scanning covers for a few as well. But besides that, google or cbdb.

Cbdb is a huge help when I'm not sure about something (especially issue release dates, though sometimes they're off) which is why I try to link them from every book if possible.

Well, that and they keep track of some information that I don't want to bother with (individual issues, multiple printings, etc.) But I want to send them a lot of traffic, since they've built such an amazing resource.

Authors, if I don't have the book, I get the names off amazon, the covers, wiki, etc.

I'll usually double check everything at cbdb, though. Since so many people work on it, it's generally in a good place.

But I like to get as much as possible from the physical book, because I'm never quite sure something is accurate otherwise. Of course, it's just not possible for getting the list online in the first place, so the internet it is.

Right now, this final phase is all about getting issue dates and putting in cbdb links on the books it's easy to find one for, that way people will be able to find character and creator information at their site until I have a chance to finalize each book here.

5:55 am
02/20/2011


Ian

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Oh yeah, if the blurb for a title seems to suggest it may take place earlier in continuity or be out of continuity, I'll do more research.

 

For example, Thor books – I checked all of them to see which ones took place in the Age of Myth. If the book isn't out yet, I have to look up reviews of the individual issues on google, and so on.

5:56 am
02/20/2011


Chris D.

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That is an incredible amount of work per book. I'm shocked that you're able to keep such a large rate per hour going with all of that. You're one thorough "Trade Detective" ;)

Thank you so much for giving us a glimpse of what your sessions entail.

5:58 am
02/20/2011


Ian

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well, the rate per hour right now is just for the final phase. If I was keeping track of the total time, It would be LOT longer.

Basically, the books completed on each update means that those books have been checked and are ready to upload. The majority of the information is already in for every book.

Next time I do a list I'll try to keep track of the time from the start, but believe me, it's probably more like 2-4 books an hour when you get down to it. And that's just to get it online. To get it finalized, I usually have to read the damn thing.

 

and to REALLY be done with it, I gotta do example scans and write a review. So that's like 10 hours a book, right? haha

6:04 am
02/20/2011


Chris D.

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That's rediculous. It's like you love this site or something ;)

I quickly looked at the CBDB site. SUCH an large amount of info. No wonder you get a little loopy after gathing information during a long shift!

Thanks again for all your hardwork, nice to see how dedicated you are to this place prospering.

2:26 pm
02/20/2011


Ian

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Basically,  the short of it is that I like to check against online info when first compiling, but I try to get a copy of the book to finalize any entry.

 

1. publisher list or solicitations (or amazon if they aren't out yet)

2. databse like cbdb, comics.org, comicvine, a million smaller sites found through google

3. the book

 

those are the main resources. I try to use the publisher first, but they are even wrong on their website at times.

3:00 pm
02/20/2011


Marc

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Sometimes even the contents listed on the back of a book are wrong! There are a number of Marvel trades that have more issues than are listed on the back (sometimes even in the indicia), so it's always good to have the actual book when possible.

3:08 pm
02/20/2011


Ian

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wait realllllllly? You gotta tell me which ones that's true of.

 

And man, I believe it.

 

Did you see this cover?

 

1:04 am
02/21/2011


Marc

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I can't remember any specific ones off the top of my head. All the ones on the list I sent you should be correct though; I investigated multiple sources whenever I even suspected a discrepancy.

 

I had not seen that cover until now, but I've been looking forward to that book since it was just a lowly Amazon fish. Why?

1:16 am
02/21/2011


Ian

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I'm sure we'll end up with a couple mistakes, but like I said before, it will work itself out when people comment to tell me how much of an idiot I am ;)

 

About that cover, leaving aside the terrible design, color, and font choices… look closely at that last word. It's actually printed like that. On the spine too!

2:20 am
02/21/2011


Marc

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Good God, Marvel… *facepalm*

 

Yeah, definitely didn't look hard enough at that last word since I was already familiar with the title. It's pretty ugly, even aside from that… like, why is there a big gaping hole on the right side of the cover? Did they run out of faces from Cap's supporting cast? If so, why not just take one of the kajillion faces they crammed into the left side? Sheesh.

2:23 am
02/21/2011


Chris D.

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obviously someone is editing these books with an eagle eye!

2:23 am
02/21/2011


Marc

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By the way, how did you come across the info about the spine? Or do you have the book? I haven't seen anything about this on the MMW boards.

2:28 am
02/21/2011


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I admit, it's secondhand info. It was on the CBR forums I thought, but I can't seem to find it now. I don't have the cash to be buying new comics this second or a store near me to confirm. but it sounsd pretty bad haha

2:34 am
02/21/2011


Marc

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The sad thing is, they've probably done worse. Typographical error aside, Marvel's covers can occasionally be pretty poorly designed.

2:37 am
02/21/2011


Ian

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oh god. Don't get me started on the Masterworks. Under the dust jackets they're often simple, tasteful. Lovely.

 

But those dust jackets? granted, I've only seen a few, but the spiderman one I've got is hideous!

 

and of course I can't just throw it away and let the tasteful spine show, because I feel like it won't be a complete book.

2:49 am
02/21/2011


Marc

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I've grown used to the current standard MMW covers, but the variants are garish. The old standard covers were just awful though, sometimes laughably so.

 

Some of the Essential covers are pretty bad, since they're often just a stock image re-colored with modern technology. The cover to the first Thor volume is particularly garish.

 

The covers to some of the Classic and Complete Epic books are crappy too. Just take a look at this one:

 

 

Like, seriously?

2:52 am
02/21/2011


Ian

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I don't understand why they can have such amazing artists (sometimes) on the inside and not pay attention to the covers.

 

I mean… it's the first thing the consumer sees!

4:25 am
02/21/2011


Chris D.

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I don't know what you guys are complaining about.

I mean LOOK at that amazing "ripple/shadow" effect they have going on in the background. Only a GENIUS artist could do such work. It obviously was handdrawn over weeks to get that look ;)


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