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A Last Rites / Batman: R.I.P / Batman Reborn series/event list has been created and given a header image. Obviously I haven’t decided quite what to call it yet. The following books have been added to that list, though it’s currently not sorted. Once all the books on this list that are unplaced are placed into the RRO, this list will sort itself out.

  • Batman & Son
  • Batman: Under The Cowl
  • Batman: The Resurrection of Ra’s Al Ghul
  • Batman: The Black Glove
  • Final Crisis
  • Batman R.I.P.
  • Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader
  • Battle for the Cowl
  • Battle for the Cowl Companion
  • Batman and Robin: Batman Reborn
  • Oracle: The Cure
  • Red Robin: The Grail
  • Streets of Gotham: Hush Money
  • Gotham City Sirens: Union
  • Batwoman: Elegy
  • Batgirl: Batgirl Rising
  • Robin: Search for a Hero
  • Nightwing: The Great Leap
  • Batman: Life After Death
  • Batman: Long Shadows
  • Blackest Night: Black Lantern Corps Vol. 1

Also, Supergirl: Get A Life has been added to the Final Night listing.

Edit: After a recommendation on the CBR forum, I’ve added “Batman: The Heart Of Hush” to this listing. If you’re interested in seeing the discussion around the order (and the order as it develops, feel free to check out our thread in the batman forum!

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  1. Daniel wrote on at June 1, 2010 5:32 pm:

    lol. So I just checked out the thread on the forum, and I feel like my miscommunication got you some crap from some of the users over there. Sorry about that! The list I gave you was just books as they occurred to me last night, wasn’t trying to put them in any order yet.

    Looks like a really helpful crew over there, though. I haven’t really gotten into that kind of comic forum myself just because I’m trying to catch up and I know if I started playing over there I’d end up spoiling a bunch of stories for myself.


    Ian replied on June 1st, 2010 at 5:35 pm:

    yeah, that’s the major downside! I’ve spoiled a lot for myself. Don’t worry, I’ll try and take the hits for the team ;)

    And don’t worry about them giving me crap, it’s not your fault – I understood that it was just an out of order book list, but either they misunderstood or – well, it doesn’t matter, something being wrong is the most surefire way of getting a response, haha.

    I noticed you made a user account, but I can’t tell if you’re actually logged in or just typing your information in still. Do you see “Logged in as Daniel Logout” link above your comment box?

    thanks for helping me test this stuff, you’re my first registered user!


  2. Daniel wrote on at June 1, 2010 5:42 pm:

    Yep, as soon as my comments started saying “Daniel” rather than “Daniel Davis” that was me being logged in. All seems to work well.

    Also, since we’re talking about testing stuff out, thought I’d let you know that when I responded to you from the office earlier I was on my iPad — the site looks great on that device and all the functionality works fine. No funky artifacts or anything.


    Ian replied on June 1st, 2010 at 5:45 pm:

    Really? That’s awesome to hear. I have to get ahold of one to see how it looks myself. I wonder if it’s usable on a phone.

    Mine just makes phone calls, haha, so I don’t really know much about how it all looks.

    One of the reasons I’ve been keeping all the info in custom fields versus putting it directly in the post content is because then I can make mobile specific designs using meta data (at some later date) and call the fields in a way that might display better on a phone. But I wonder if it’s already looking alright.


    Ian replied on June 1st, 2010 at 5:46 pm:

    PS. Do you have a website or personal blog or anything? I think if you add a link to your profile it will make your name that link. I think you deserve credit and a link back for all your work, haha


    Daniel replied on June 1st, 2010 at 5:57 pm:

    Nope, no site or blog to link too…

    And since you were curious, I whipped out the phone to see how it would look/work. Basically it’s fine — like everything else that’s not optimized for mobile browsers there’s a fair amount of scrolling and zooming necessary, but it’s fully functional.


    Daniel replied on June 1st, 2010 at 6:06 pm:

    On a completely unrelated note, I just placed my first order with instocktrades.com. Hadn’t ever checked them out until I saw them mentioned here…


    Ian replied on June 1st, 2010 at 6:08 pm:

    Awesome – let me know how it works out. They’ve always been good to me – definitely my number one choice so far for buying trades new (excluding the rare new trade lot ebay find).


    Daniel replied on June 1st, 2010 at 6:12 pm:

    Yeah, I mostly use Amazon and my local shop. But there was a Batman trade I needed that Amazon didn’t have in stock. For some reason all the marketplace vendors wanted like $26 or more for it. So I checked IST and they have it in stock for $12.59. Also picked up the first Jack Kirby Fourth World omnibus and a Superman trade I was missing to get the free shipping. Seems like they’ve got great selection and prices.


    Ian replied on June 1st, 2010 at 6:41 pm:

    yeah exactly – I’ve seen stuff that is on ebay and amazon for 20-40 bucks there for 10, like that green lantern aliens crossover book that for some reason was really overpriced for a while.

    Plus the new books are generally .50 – 3 dollars cheaper there vs amazon, and all you really need to do is put a bit more in your cart to get free shipping. I only really go for them if they’re under 10, so I tend to get 6-8 books for a little over 50 every time I do an order with em.


    Ian replied on June 1st, 2010 at 6:07 pm:

    huh. If I was going to optimize it, how would I do it? try and have the sidebars in a drop down or something? I’ll have to think about it when I have a chance to do it myself. Future project though, haha


    Daniel replied on June 1st, 2010 at 6:29 pm:

    Well, as far as optimizing it for mobile browsers go, don’t really know. I guess the way I’d think about it is that the mobile version should be geared to how and why people would be using it on the phone in the first place. Which for me, and I imagine for most users, would be when I’m standing in the shop trying to remember what book I need to buy next.

    So the thing that I imagine would be most helpful in those circumstances would be a really simple frontpage at m.tradereadingorder.com or mobile.tradereadingorder.com that was something like this:

    Your logo/page name
    the google search bar
    drop down list of the major lists
    drop down list of the event lists
    drop down list of the character lists

    And then when you pull up a sub-page it coule be essentially the same as on the main site, except that it would drop the sidebar and just have the content for that book or list.

    Anyway that’s just one way it could work…

    Not something I’m personally dying to see added, but I could see it being helpful for some.


    Ian replied on June 1st, 2010 at 6:44 pm:

    yeah, that’s pretty much what I’m thinking. I think I can have it so the site recognizes if you are on a mobile and sends you to the mobile page, etc.

    I want to put in a couple other features, too – like maybe scanning/taking a picture of the barcode to find the trade in the database. Something cool like that.

    Also, do you know those weird pixelated looking squares that are like ID patches? http://collectededitions.blogspot.com/ has one at the top left. I’m not sure exactly how useful it would be, but I could make a little card for the site and when I hand it out to friends they could just scan it to send their phone to my site. I think that’s the idea, anyway.


    Daniel replied on June 1st, 2010 at 10:18 pm:

    Yeah, I know what you’re talking about with the checkerboard looking barcode things. When I was living in Japan, those things were really common/popular. Seems like they’re just getting started being used here.

    I really like the idea of the barcode scanner — that could be great.

    I tell you what, though — the number one feature I’d love to see this site have some day down the road would be list management. If I could log on here and tag books as “own” or “wishlist” and then view my library or shopping list sorted by reading order that would be fantastic.

    On a completely unrelated note — My neighbor is moving out in a few days and so he just gave me one of his bookcases. Just in time too, I’d gotten to the point of having to stack trades on top of each rather than shelving them properly.


    Ian replied on June 1st, 2010 at 10:46 pm:

    I’ve been thinking about that – it would be sweet if I could get it to work. The closest I’ve come is that users can set one category by their own name and it somehow appears only to them in the list. But I have no idea how the code would work. I’m learning slowly while doing all this so maybe at some point I’ll be able to get it working. I’m sure it’s possible in theory, I just might have to team with a real programmer at some point.

    I had a chance to check out the site on an iphone at dinner tonight. It looked surprisingly good – no background image and some minor maladjustment, but the book lists themselves were fine. Pretty awesome good luck.

    I’m jealous of your bookshelf – I need another good full length myself, though not for comics. Ok, to be honest, I knocked all my regular books off one to make room for comics.


    Daniel replied on June 1st, 2010 at 10:58 pm:

    Yeah, I saw the pictures you posted last week of your bookcases. Your collection definitely dwarfs mine. Right now what I’m doing is finally moving all the non-DC stuff off the comic shelf so DC can have its own bookcase. That will give me room to grow my collection for a while at least.

    Good timing too..last week was my birthday, so I ordered a big stack of books from Amazon which should be arriving tomorrow. Definitely gonna need the shelf space.

    And as for list management…I assumed that would be something that wouldn’t happen easy or soon, but it will be great when it comes around — gonna keep managing spreadsheets in addition to the site for now.

    Unfortunately, I think I’m going to need to start a new spreadsheet — I see way too much data entry in my future. haha


    Ian replied on June 1st, 2010 at 11:23 pm:

    I moved my DC to its own shelf pretty early on. The decision to start mixing in the vertigo stuff from the vertigo shelf was a tough one, but I think it was worth it once I started putting together the rest of the timeline around it. For a bit there, I just had lots of batman, lots of superman, and then the vertigo titles. It was on the cusp of my collecting and a I felt bad about the money I’d spent on it – now I just know it’s something I’m going to do and I don’t feel like it’s a strange expense. I’ve already planned for it to be part of my yearly budget, haha.

    Do you find you get good enough prices from amazon? I get stuff from there used, but rarely the new stuff.

    Do you use excel for your collection as well?

    Something that’s been in the pipeline for a while is some kind of “export to checklist” feature for each reading order list – something that would send the whole thing, without separate html pages, to a printable file. Pdf or something.


    Daniel replied on June 1st, 2010 at 11:38 pm:

    I honestly don’t have a whole lot that’s not DC — I made the decision early on that I just can’t afford to follow two major publishing houses, so I generally don’t buy any Marvel at all except when I’ve found a really cheap lot on ebay or something (which gets difficult sometimes when I see my favorite DC writers doing acclaimed work over there.) So I have a bunch of Vertigo stuff, some manga, and various Alan Moore books that weren’t with a major. Other than that the rest is DC.

    Amazon’s prices, well — I guess you and I may have different definitions of “good enough.” I generally pay 10-13 for softbacks, and 18 and up for hardbacks (the up part is for the fancier omnibus volumes like the Starman omnibus volumes I bought at $30 apiece.) I too have resigned myself to the fact that this is just where a chunk of my money is going to go every month.

    The list I’m running right now is in google docs (which is essentially excel format — imports and exports that way). Unfortunately the only list I’ve got is my condensed reading list — the 600 titles I picked to go from CoIE to present, in order based on this site, marked as read, owned, etc.

    What I want to do now is put together a master DC/Vertigo trade checklist that has essentially everything, since my reading list doesn’t have older titles that I’m still slowly adding to the collection, etc. Unfortunately, that’s gonna take me awhile to put together I suspect.


    Ian replied on June 1st, 2010 at 11:45 pm:

    Basically, I made the same decision, but while buying on ebay often there are a few really cheap books from marvel that I’m sort of interested and it’s hard to resist adding them to the order. I’ve got about two shelves on a bookshelf of marvel, not including ultimate marvel, which I have up to about at ultimatum.

    Including the marvel and the standalone (basically all the other books on this site) I’ve got about 1.5 smaller bookshelves of non-DC, and three full length shelves of dc, 3/4ths of my collection.

    When you’re browsing this site right now, basically you’re browsing my collection and my to buy list. There’s about 400 or so books on this site that I don’t own yet and I think they’re all archives or newer/forthcoming dc releases.

    If you promise not to use it to import to another database site, I’ll send you a copy of my excel doc – it at least has a full dc list though not everything is added to the reading order here yet. Copying and pasting from there might save you some time in making your reading list.

    I haven’t put together a master vertigo list (still some stuff missing) or wildstorm, but some of the stuff is on there – again the same books you see on here.


    Ian replied on June 1st, 2010 at 11:49 pm:

    Eh all of the info is public anyway and you’d have to be crazy to go through the amount of work I’ve done to get the info up in a functional way – so what the hell! I’m sending you my excel file now since I’m about to get off for the night (my day off I can actually spend some time with the gal!)


    Daniel replied on June 1st, 2010 at 11:52 pm:

    That rules man. You don’t have to worry about me uploading it anywhere else. That’s going to save me so much time…

    Well have a good one!


    Ian replied on June 1st, 2010 at 11:54 pm:

    No problem. you’ll get a sneak peek when it comes to upcoming updates too – all the books marked ATRO have to be added to the reading order, and those marked MOVE OL are already in the reading order but need to be moved online (as opposed to being moved on my bookshelf, I’ve already caught up with all of that.)



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